A little talk to cfbsoftware

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I want to make a suggestion: What about a free version of CpIDE? Completely free, not an inexpensive version. As my little research with Google show, you earn money mostly from Astrobe, not CpIDE, even though it's based on CpIDE. And you have not updated CpIDE since 2017. Why don't you provide a free version of CpIDE?

You could limit it usage to non-commercial software only and require paid license if the people want to develop commercial software with it. As I see, CpIDE is very similar to PascalABC.NET, and IMHO has no advantage over PascalABC.NET other than the later's documents is not fully translated to English. But because I prefer the language Oberon to the hybrid syntax of PascalABC.NET (it borrowed from C too much) and would suggest CpIDE to my friends but most people will not want to invest money to buy CpIDE. A free version allow them to play with the IDE and have good experience with the language.

p/s: I understand your reasons of not making it free, though. It takes time and efforts to develop a product and no one want to make it free. There could be people that develop there software with a free CpIDE then compile with another free compiler then you will receive no thing. And IMHO, the restriction I proposed above is not reasonable, too. As products have such restriction usually also own or control the compiler and the runtime library but you don't own or control GCPC. So I'm not sure it's legal to impose such a restriction. Anyway, it's all up to you. I'm looking forward to your answer. Regards.

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I want to make a suggestion: What about a free version of CpIDE?

Older versions are available for no cost. For example:

https://download.cnet.com/CPIde/3000-10250_4-10608075.html

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I want to make a suggestion: What about a free version of CpIDE?

https://download.cnet.com/CPIde/3000-10250_4-10608075.html

The page said it to be trial ware. If you really want to give them for free you should provide them on your page, not cnet. Ublock origin always blocks cnet, it seemed to be a not reliable source to download software.

Sincere.

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Ublock origin always blocks cnet, it seemed to be a not reliable source to download software.

We have been using CNet to distribute our software for more than 20 years and have found it to be one of the most trustworthy sites to work with. Try accessing it via www.download.com if you having problems with your ISP, or try a different ISP.

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Ublock origin always blocks cnet, it seemed to be a not reliable source to download software.

We have been using CNet to distribute our software for more than 20 years and have found it to be one of the most trustworthy sites to work with. Try accessing it via www.download.com if you having problems with your ISP, or try a different ISP.

The problem is with Ublock Origin. It blocks all of cnet download links and said the links are harmful.

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Ublock origin always blocks cnet, it seemed to be a not reliable source to download software.

We have been using CNet to distribute our software for more than 20 years and have found it to be one of the most trustworthy sites to work with. Try accessing it via www.download.com if you having problems with your ISP, or try a different ISP.

The problem is with Ublock Origin. It blocks all of cnet download links and said the links are harmful.

Don't use Ublock Origin if it gives you false positives.

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The page said it to be trial ware.

If you want to use a Component Pascal software system but you don't want any restrictions and do not want to pay any money for it then I recommend Blackbox Component Pascal:

http://blackboxframework.org

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The page said it to be trial ware.

http://blackboxframework.org

That thing is the first I try. It's not worth to be called an IDE. It sucked hard. No code completion. Even no syntax highlighting. It looked like something from the Windows 95 era. Outdated and even not possible to generate 64 bit binary. In summary, it's totally sucks.

What we need is an proper IDE. And the only proper IDE I found is your CpIDE. Don't said about XDS, I tried it but it also sucks. This thing was not updated for a long time and will not work with modern version of eclipse. And why do we have to download this 350mb beast eclipse and another hundred of megabytes beast Java runtime to just have an IDE? If I'm potential user I will just dump this Component Pascal into trash. But why called it Pascal when it's indeed an Oberon, I wonder? If it's really for marketing purpose, it failed miserably.

And unfortunately, CpIDE doesn't offer a free version. As I will left this group I don't have anything to fear to tell from my gut: Your prices for CpIDE is delusional. If I have to spend that much money I will just buy something else. There are much better solutions. But I understand why this prices, though. Yes, you have users. Yes, you have notable and famous industrial users. But your user base is indeed very small. You have to charge them more to have profit. That's it! You are not the only delusional child in the town, there are Eiffel and Delphi, too. And their user base are shrinking and shrinking more and more over time.

Sincere, and bye.

[Nemo]

On 04/01/20 09:19, ***@gmail.com wrote (in part):
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If I have to spend that much money I will just buy something else.
There are much better solutions.

You are free to buy and use whatever solution you find appropriate.
Even better, you are free to write your own IDE and release it for free.

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You are not the only delusional child in the town, there are Eiffel

and Delphi, too.

There are open-source versions of Eiffel.

N.

[Lsnce Schwerdfager]

I find this discussion to be quite revealing. As a retired software developer, I am quite aware of just how much time and effort is needed to develop a product of value. When one has a family to support plus the usual taxation of effort by spendthrift governments, etc., one HAS to earn money to survive.

Issuing freeware can be done of course at the developer's discretion, but it is often done as a loss leader to build up one's reputation, create follow-on (paying) business, etc.

Seriously useful software products often cost much to create in the first place and so it's only fair that users of those products pay for their use. If developers are expected to devote most of their time and talents for free, how can they own up to their responsibilities re: living expenses, family and taxes? That's a quick route to getting absolutely nowhere.

The writer has worked with BlackBox Component Pascal for years now and it continues to be my favourite software development environment. It is free (amazingly enough as it's a superb product) but it's clear that Oberon Microsystems obtains its revenue elsewhere in developing systems. We can be grateful that Oberon Microsystems did release their development system to the public domain, thus giving its users a chance to learn how to use it and adopt its philosophy.